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Give me an EV without a massive center console that blinds me at night. Remove all the “smart” features like lane assist. Give me a fucking dumb EV
The only one I’ve seen is the VW “e-up!”.
I’d take an electrified peoples wagon
My wife really likes the lane assist feature on her car. She says it helps her be less distracted when she drives.
I live out in the country where none of these features work for more than 2 min. Most cities around me are the same. Its a near useless feature that only cost (WAY) more for me
Our subdivision is basically in the country and she finds it helpful. I don’t know, my car doesn’t have it. I’d probably turn it off if it did. That’s an option in her car.
I live on an unpaved road and am surrounded by farmers fields. Also we get snow and lots of it, so for 4 months its more dangerous to even think about using it.
We need people to pay more attention to the road not less. Tesla drivers (in my area) are the fucking worst drivers. Seen better BMW drivers
Upcoming Citroen e C3 - which Murica will prob never get
You’re right. As a Tesla owner there’s every reason to want the power, range, and maybe a couple of the features but with tangible controls etc
The Kia/Hyundai offerings are probably your closest bet.
I almost never use the assists. I don’t mind the idea that if the computer sees a looming impact it will brake for me though.
The smart features aren’t really that much extra. You are basically just paying for a couple extra cameras. The software part is scaled across all models.
Yeah on a Tesla, other reputable manufacturers use radar and lidar as well as cameras and even microphones. Plus the software, a high end GPU. That right there is a 10k package at minimum. Also the labor of routing wires for all the equipment
Seriously where do you get your information?
This drives me crazy. Take a solid platform like the FRS… electrify it for something equiv to 300/300 and give it a 200 mile range. No fancy interior, lots of plastic, no lane assist etc. It would be fun and affordable. Same platform could be used for a more refined crossover.
I feel like Honda really should have done some type r civic thing but with electric.
I fucking love my frs. I can’t stand seeing the interiors on even just fancy ICE cars now, much less electrics. My wife’s traverse has a horrifically unintuitive touchscreen interface for the radio and rear A/C. My car is like the last of a dying breed. Have almost 150k miles now. It’s a dream.
That’s cool… 150k? Nice. I regret not getting one when i had the chance but I felt like it should had at least a small turbo. And i wasn’t overly confident with the aftermarket stuff. That said the gt86 platform is quite a base to build on.
But yeah, i hate the trend of a big touchscreen to do everything. Sometimes i wonder if it’s just getting old but I really feel like the UIs are awful.
Display is ok for GPS and maybe some audio but I certainly prefer standard tactile interface methods. You are right, dying breed. Enjoy your ride!
I really do think this will happen in the near future. Right now, every company is targeting the high end segment and slowly making it’s way down.
They have night settings just like the infotainment centers in ICE vehicles. They also have dimming functions if you have such sensitive eyes you can’t stand even a small amount of light coming from the console. This is not a real problem. This is you bitching about stuff you don’t want.
What if I want to change the interior temp? Am I supposed to pull over stare at this giant monstrosity if a screen? Right now I can simply turn a dial.
This has to be the worst defense of a sub standard idea that is a computer screen for a center console
No. You hit the button on the screen that changes the temp or you roll the right roller/button on the steering wheel.
The big lcd screen isn’t a mystery… it works like your phone… only a lot bigger so you don’t have to stare at it to know where to press. You can just glance and then look back at the road… like if it were an analog button.
Yeah but I don’t use my phone while driving and neither should you, and that fucking monstrosity is no different than a phone. You CAN’T use it without taking your eyes off the road which is super fucking dangerous hence the reason for pulling over to use the POS as you should. Dont say autopilot makes it safe because that system doesn’t work well as it can only use cameras and their machine learning model isn’t that good and should NOT be relied on to make it safe to use a giant cellphone for a center console.
That’s pedantic. I wasn’t suggesting you use your phone while driving, I was describing the way you touch a screen. It is literally the exact same amount of distraction as pushing a button.
If you can’t handle touching a “fake button” without losing attention from the road, you probably shouldn’t be open operating heavy equipment at all.
Except there is no physical feedback, you NEED to look at that screen, I can manage 90% of my dash by feel and 90% of the controls I use are on my steering wheel.
Also everyone on the road isn’t you, I was nearly in an accident as a passenger because my driver was looking at the screen because there was no physical buttons.
The physical feedback is your finger touching the screen. If it’s a skill you can’t learn, you should stick to old cars with outdated technology. Everyone isn’t capable of keeping up with technology. It’s fine.
Sounds like whoever drives you around is as incompetent as you are at managing their driving with new technology. You should find people with more coordination to drive you around.
I have dark mode and auto dimming on my huge center console monitor. It’s a non issue. The only thing it really shows is my car on a map and what is playing on Spotify. I never look at it or am distracted by it when driving.
I do feel like there is room for a nice super simple EV with minimal/no screens and only the features required by law. It would need quite a few buttons for windows, heated seats, heated steering wheel, defrost, climate control etc but it would be quite a calm experience I think not having a huge monitor there.
Maybe to you, personally I’d rather have knobs and buttons on my console. Way less detracting and easier to operate without taking my eyes off the road. If I need a map, I have a GPS in my pocket where I can easily adjust the brightness or turn off the screen and follow the spoken directions. I have a 2016 Veloster and that has the biggest screen that should be in a car, also isn’t there to operate the cats functions. Also have a 2021 Tuscon and the infotainment system is a fucking abomination and is just horrible to operate and drive at night with
Well, I don’t think they are making cars like that anymore sadly. Would be cool with an EV that aged well because of no screens.
I looked up the interior for the Tuscon and yeah it’s clear that they don’t really know how to handle implementing a large monitor in a car. It has bad design, bad placement and bad software. Try test driving a Tesla sometime. You might like it. I come from a Kia Sportage 2012 Diesel so I had quite the adjustment to make but I am happier for it.
Try test driving a Tesla sometime.
Fuck that I’m not driving a death trap
I’d rather buy a cheap ebike from wish
Based on the fact that Tesla receives top rating in all collision tests in all countries ( as far as I know ) https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model-3/37573
I believe your risk assessment ability may be lacking. Tough the Wish ebike might be safer as it likely will not run.
I’ve had someone else’s Tesla break in front of me passing a highway offramp, went from 120kph to 100 kph when there was not a single other vehicle around. Doesn’t seem very safe to me
Maybe it’s because cars suck now: filled with spyware, massively complex systems that aren’t better at doing car things than similar systems in the 90s, and with a price tag that considers this garbage as worth something to the consumer.
I sincerely wish that were the case. The proliferation of Ring doorbells, Alexa speakers, and overall lack of tech literacy really hampers any signs of general outcry. Our collective screech barely registers as a whimper in the grand scheme.
I mean that’s my disappointment with the new Tacoma that’s coming out soon. It’s great that they have a hybrid now, but it’s full of electronic crap now that used to be mostly isolated to certain components.
Now the entire gauge cluster is a screen, it’s sad.
I was legitimately going to buy a brand new one in the next year or two when I’m back in the US, and I’ve never bought a new car. now I guess I have to get a 2023 model or earlier. I bet any of the 2016-2023 generation lasts longer than the 2023-2030ish generation.
Honestly I don’t even like trucks but the biggest pull for me was that the Tacoma was still pretty old school for a new vehicle, and that it could go anywhere kinda rough.
Now the entire gauge cluster is a screen, it’s sad.
This is a really interesting take to me because I’m excited for all the physical displays to be replaced by screens. Because once they’re screens, the new CarPlay can take them over and give an actually good user experience compared the incredible dog shit quality in-car experience that the manufacturers provide.
I wanted to like the Tacoma but I owned a Corolla and it’s the same size inside. Not like in a “this is a truck” way either I mean the cabin is like a compact car. Seating position is just awful. I’m tall but this isn’t a tall thing even.
Thing about the Corolla is it had 41” legroom in front at least. More backseat room too.
There was another thread here on Lemmy where I talked about how my parents installed a wired intercom in our house so they wouldn’t have to yell at me when they wanted something and someone replied that they just use Alexa to do that and I wanted to hit my forehead on my keyboard.
Spoiler alert: cars have always sucked.
Inefficient drain of public and private money. Demand better public transportation.
The same thing happens in ICE vehicles. The issue here is that they marked them up an insane amount, refuse to learn about them, and actively discourage people from buying them.
With 30% markups? No, you cannot.
Car Dealers: But what about my cut for bringing absolutely nothing to the table except being a con-man??
Car dealers are useless middlemen that should be put out of business.
There’s a huge wave of anti ev propaganda coming out. Beware.
car dealers bring as much value to society as landlords. it’s a negative value.
I would like to buy an electric car but I will not because;
- I don’t have a garage.
- I live in a very wintery climate and don’t trust the battery to take it/don’t want to heat a battery
- The closest chargers are at least 50 km away in other towns
- My house has 60 amp service (upgrading that is on the todo list, but it’s a long list)
- I don’t trust the battery to last longer than the life of the lease
The whole EV thing is the same scam as Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars were under Bush. It’s not real. It never was real. It’s just an opportunity to dump a bunch of taxpayer money on Detroit and give the petroleum industry another decade of profits while the US government pretends to solve oil dependency with one more fake solution.
They don’t work. It’s simply not possible. Cars can’t continue to exist like they do today because every person carrying around several tons of metal everywhere just doesn’t make any kind of sense.
This year, 18% of all automobile sales worldwide were electric cars. In the US, that’s about 7%.
despite our economic prosperity
Fuck you. I could barely afford a Honda Fit.
How about people pay attention to local elections? The reason we are not seeing funding for EV infrastructure is most small towns can be bought by the local dealership family who would rather see continued profits from ICE vehicle maintenance and not investments into EV infrastructure, then it conviently sides with this bullshit narrative of nothing can be sold and we have no infrastructure so give up on EVs.
I’m not buying an EV not because of lack of infrastructure or lack of interest, but because the product sucks.
I’m not buying a gas car either for the same product sucking reason, and an active desire to never purchase a gas car again.
Fellas, fellas, please. I assume you, I wouldn’t buy the gas one either.
I wonder if new vehicle sales are down overall. If I had to replace my car today, I’d be looking for something second hand.
Edit: According to Cox Automotive Inc., September sales were actually up 13% from last year. Huh.
September sales were actually up 13% from last year
Covid-19 shut down a lot of factories. Not just US car factories but also suppliers of small/cheap components (some of them worth less than one cent each) just couldn’t be purchased in large volumes.
As far as I know the industry still hasn’t fully recovered. 13% year over year growth isn’t a 13% increase in demand, it’s a 13% increase in the number of cars they’re able to sell.
I agree with them but not for the reasons they would like, less pushing of EVs more pushing of good public transportation.
