• @barsquid@lemmy.world
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      Once libertarian warlords non-aggression pactlords own all the roads, they would still need some sort of license to prove their road use subscription has been paid.

  • @Emerald@lemmy.world
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    Context?

    Or is this a reply to the person saying homeschooling should be illegal?

    Why is microblogging UX so strange?

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      Someone tweeted that homeschooling should largely be illegal.

      Someone else quoted the tweet them and said people like them should be hung. Quoting a tweet is like replying while also saying, “HEY, EVERYBODY, LOOK AT THIS!”

      Then a third person corrected the second person’s grammar.

      It could be assumed that the second person was homeschooled, but there’s no evidence within the picture to support that.

    • @shinratdr@lemmy.ca
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      Because you can quote someone without actually speaking to them, and the UI has to show that as well as replies to that exchange.

      It’s not perfect but it makes sense in context. Also, they all have timestamps so that should make the progression obvious.

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    I work adjacent to education, and as such see a lot of high school transcripts come across my desk. The bad news is that there are absolutely tons of bad actors who use homeschooling as a way to indoctrinate kids to their insane, unsubstantiated worldview.

    The worst news is that there’s a ton of private schools and even some public schools doing it too. Schools across the U.S. are teaching creationism as fact, climate change as theory, and some of them even have the gall to consider their “Biblical Science” classes as honors level. If your only argument against homeschooling is indoctrination, it’s not a very good one. In states like Utah and Oklahoma, you’d almost have to homeschool your kid just to make sure they’re receiving a real education.

  • r3df0x ✡️✝☪️A
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    Despite having agreement with rightoids, homeschooling should be illegal. If your kids have autism or some other social condition, it should be considered an extremely severe form of child abuse. I went to a special high school and there was an autistic kid there who was homeschooled for middle school to keep him away from it and it fucked him up. Even at our school he didn’t really have any friends and that was an accomplishment. In order to not fit in where I went, you had to seriously work at being a jackass. There was a kid with very severe autism and he fit in better then the home schooled kid who had potential to be “passing.”

    • @BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.worldOP
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      I think homeschooling is an excuse to have your older children babysit the younger children all day long and that they get zero education, and I agree it probably should mostly be illegal. I will make exceptions for kids dealing with severe anxiety or something.

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        Kids like that would be the most harmed I think. Kids need to learn to get over their anxiety issues. Public schools harm autistic kids by creating spaces where they never have to get outside of their comfort zone. You will fail in the “real world” if you can’t handle overcoming “anxiety.”

  • @TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
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    Is the distinction more than pedantic?

    Edit: I get the connotation that being hung means your dong is admirable. But in terms of the past tense of hang, both hanged and hung seem to be valid options such as in “I hung the laundry”. And the alternative, “I hanged the laundry” sounds wrong. So pendantry?

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    Maybe not outright illegal, but I think it should be heavily regulated. I’ve heard way too many stories of kids being raised in isolation and barely being taught even basic math under the guise of homeschooling.

    • r3df0x ✡️✝☪️A
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      It should be child abuse to home school autistic kids. I’ve seen what it does to them.

      Instead of public schools, we should have school choice.

    • @ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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      My brother and sisiter-in-law briefly did “homeschooling” with their kids. I put the word in scare quotes because it wasn’t what people normally think of when they consider homeschooling. It was actually a private school which the kids went to four days a week and then one day a week the parents guided the kids at home through a lesson plan prepared by the school. The only point of this was that it allowed the school to hire non-accredited and non-union teachers since it was ostensibly homeschooling and not a normal school.

      At least it saved the parents money, right? Ha ha nope! Still expensive as shit - like $30K per year per kid.

      • @nomous@lemmy.world
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        Homeschooling can be great if you have the time/ability but the parents do need to take it seriously and hire tutors in areas they’re less familiar with. There definitely needs to be proctored testing to make sure kids aren’t just being taught weird religious doctrine and nothing else.

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        Ha ha nope! Still expensive as shit - like $30K per year per kid.

        Right, universal education is not a thing in USSA American Empire.

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              That comes with the territory of not being relevant to short term corporate profits and also being paid for by taxes. Though if and how underfunded depends on the county, since it’s usually paid for primarily by local property taxes.

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            I mean it’s not free – it’s funded by property taxes in most US states.

            States have different ways of adding more cash to funding; CO and WA for example put a ton of their weed tax money to roads and schools

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      Homeschooling is allowed in my country, but they have to take exams in front of a jury to prove they have been properly schooled.

      • @VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
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        I think you mean invidulator, everyone knows what you mean just trying to be helpful. That’s an officially appointed watcher at exams, a jury is a team of people who give a verdict in a legal case.

        And yeah that’s the best way for sure, some places have mandatory participation in community events too which i think is good

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          No, you seem to be describing someone who supervises an exam. What I mean is a committee/inspection that decides if the homeschooling meets the objectives set by the governments and that the student has a sufficient understanding of the teachings.

    • @BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.worldOP
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      There’s a family I saw on Facebook who had their ten kids apprehended and adopted out for beating them with a switch and not actually educating them in home school. Thankfully the kids are doing well.

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      barely being taught even basic math under the guise of homeschooling.

      yah that was me.

      There was no actual “schooling” it was just a cover-story so people didn’t pry and learn that my parents were too crazy/drunk/high/delusional to properly raise children. The first couple decades of my life I basically just wandered in the desert alone around my parent’s “religious compound” a couple hours from the nearest town and tried to get my hands on any actual scientific or rational reading material that extended family members managed to smuggle in.

      It had disastrous impact on my adult life. I did go to school later and excelled and soared through AP college classes… but with my life so handicapped from the start, I was unable to continue higher education due to poverty, unable to land a stable career, and worst of all, severe depression and anxiety from the CPTSD of basically spending 20 years of my most important developmental years isolated with two toxic, hateful, abusive parents and literally NOBODY else. I became non-verbal for years, people thought I was autistic. I have been in and out of therapy, on and off meds, and have had long, extended struggles with substance abuse, depression so bad I can’t move some days, and thoughts of self-harm.

      My parents were absolutely convinced that biblical prophecy was real and was about to be fulfilled, they saw themselves as actual prophets or chosen ones that would play a part in the coming apocalypse, and for years of my life I was also convinced that I was part of some greater destiny.

      Fast forward through my adult life, and I’m clearing out my parent’s belongings after they drank themselves to death, wondering what the fuck happened and what my real future is going to look like. Do you think AI is going to replace grocery baggers? Because I fully see myself at 80 bagging groceries.

    • @BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee
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      Facebook groups for homschooling moms are fucking wild. To be fair you never know who’s trolling there, because if you want to fool someone, you fool someone that is very easy to fool.

    • @vga@sopuli.xyz
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      No no, they just mean that people like that should have large penises. Extremely libertarian.

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        Reminder that one of the biggest think pieces of libertarianism also created the infamous fourteen words chanted by white supremacists, one other just thought it was a neat idea to capture a term from the left.

      • Exactly about. There is no such thing as a socialist Nazi in exactly the same way there is no such thing as a libertarian capitalist.

        Conservatives just make, and have made, a deliberate strategy of stealing terminology from the left to trick idiots, and the left lets them do it to not be associated with them.

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    I personally don’t believe that home schooling should be illegal. It’s not my jam, but don’t want it to be illegal…but holy shit that response escalated quickly. Libertarians are triggered idiots.

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      The big issue with homeschooling, is it is largely used as a tool for brainwashing and creating extremists…

      • @OccamsRazer@lemmy.world
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        Brainwashing is only a term to describe people who weren’t taught mainstream views, but those mainstream views are not necessarily correct. What’s the difference between mainstream propaganda and brainwashing?

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            Super insightful, thanks. Lemme give you some examples of Germans I’ve encountered:

            One guy asked me if we use euros in France.

            A woman came to me because she couldn’t open the bathroom door. I went with her to see what was up, I knocked, someone replied saying it was occupied.

            Another one thought they were superior because of the Lemmy server they were on, of all things.

            So yeah, no group is perfect, get over it. All this “.world that”, “.ml that”, “. whatever that” is getting old and stupid.

            • @twei@discuss.tchncs.de
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              I know it’s a stupid joke, thats why i made it. In fact, the joke builds on .world being such a generic instance unlike lemmygrad, hexbear or explodingheads, where my comment would’ve been somewhat true. I guess I should’ve added a /s.

              Also, here is a list of French ppl I’ve encountered:

              • one of them was an avg .world user (Geddit? Geddit? /s)
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                Ah, it was an “I was only joking, brah” moment. My bad. I guess that’s why there’s jokes about German humor

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          Either you haven’t read through the comments on this thread by people who were actually homeschooled, or you’re being deliberately obtuse.

          • @OccamsRazer@lemmy.world
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            I know tons of people who home school, like a ton actually. Real people and not just internet dwellers. There is a lot of variety in how people do it, some bad, some better than anything you can hope to achieve in public schools. But that isn’t my point. My point is only about brainwashing done in public schools, and how that term is relative. What we think is normal and healthy depends on what we are told. Public schools don’t have the objective truth, they just provide a consistent message and brainwash kids all in a similar manner. The term brainwashing has a negative connotation, but that’s what it is. We were all taught things and taught to see things a certain way and sometimes they are later proven wrong. I can list things I learned in public schools that aren’t correct, so was I brainwashed? Well, yeah of course. In general public schools provide a stabilizing effect and a standardized set of brainwashing, which becomes “normal” because most people have that standard set. It’s relative and arbitrary, that’s my point. Ask indigenous people or other minorities if we get brainwashed in public schools.

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      It is illegal where I live and I do think it’s a good idea for it to continue to be that way.

      Aside from the obvious problem with actually learning children, one important part of school is for society to check if the children are well.

      Free lunch for everyone is provided every school day, in fact it’s illegal to not provide free lunch. So it’s also a good way to make sure all children at least get a minimum amount of food each day even if they don’t get any at home.

      If the children can “learn” at home the rest of society would have no idea if they for example starve or are abused. It’s much harder to hide abuse if the children are forced to go to school each day with teachers that are educated on how to spot signs of abuse. It’s also great for children to make friends and not be insulated.

      Yes, school isn’t perfect due to stuff like bullying but that should be solved in other ways.

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        Also it teaches children how yo socialise and live with other people.

        This is super important if you want to like have a society bigger thay your family.

        Homeschooling is so stupid in all its ways.

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          Also it teaches children how yo socialise and live with other people.

          Not always, but this is underfunding problem.

    • @uis@lemm.ee
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      Home schooling being illegal doesn’t mean you can’t teach your kids

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    As someone who was home-schooled, I absolutely agree with Cosmonaut Star. I dodged the alt-right insanity of modern homeschooling, but I got the “okay sit here and do learning unsupervised for a while” treatment after I turned 11 or 12. Prior to then I feel like my parents did an okay job at making sure I was keeping up with normal kids and taking me to social gatherings and stuff, but that just gradually slipped away the older I got. I feel like I’m still unpacking mental baggage from basically not having a life in my teens.

    Thank fuck I got into self-hosting, networking, and Linux/BSD stuff in general as a hobby otherwise I would have zero marketable skills for a job.

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      My mom wasn’t a alt-right wingnut, thankfully. But she kept me homeschooled despite me asking for regular schooling because she wanted the enabling of abuse. A child who could tell a teacher what she was saying to me was a threat to her. I didn’t go to any schooling beyond some 1st grade, and then she forced me into college when she grew tired of abusing me, until I ran out of support venues and she dragged me back to home.

      One homework thing my thought was to just read comic panels from Sunday newspapers archived online. That’s it. I was given old “general knowledge” books but never anything in depth of any study. I had to learn fields from parsing google and Wikipedia, even if she allowed the use of a computer.

      I’m sure there’s some legitimate use cases for homeschooling, especially for children who are immune compromised. But I’ve never heard of a happy story of homeschooling, lord knows I’m not one of them. I was held back socially and education wise from my peers, even with my skills.

      At the very very least, there should be a way for the state to enforce regular homeschooling standards. Track what grade the kids should be on, how they are doing, and then also economic aid for those who do.

      But my personal experience with homeschooling is that it’s never for the betterment of the child, it’s always to enable abuse and submission of the child to the parent. Because new ideas are scary to the parent, and new ideas allow new ways of thinking that the parent didn’t want the child to do.

      I’m biased as hell, but when you’re trapped with someone who beats you for a learning disability that would have been accommodated for in a public school that you as a 14 year old asked for, it leaves an impression on you.

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        I follow a few YouTube channels of people who live on sailboats and travel the world full-time, and some of them have kids. Having a transient lifestyle like that seems like one of the few relatively legitimate excuses for homeschooling, to me.

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          Having a transient lifestyle like that sounds like you shouldn’t have children, at least to me.

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            I strongly disagree, for me a transient lifestyle like that can be great for kids. Discovering different cultures, new way of living, new languages is extremely enriching.

            I’m a bit biased since I lived in 9 differents places in 3 different countries before I was 12.

            However I have never been homeschooled so I can’t give an opinion on homeschooling. There is schools part of the French educational network everywhere around the world so I’ve been able to stay in the French education system even when living in Africa.

            But I know that people sailing around the world are able to maintain their kid education. I don’t know for other countries but in France there is the “CNED” that gives material to study remotely, the parents uses the material to teach the kids and there is regularly tests that the kid send back (online now but it was by mail before) to be evaluated by real teachers.

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    I think this model of education is damaging to kids and the government should do something about it

    I’m going to train my kids to fucking kill you

    Most normal libertarian response