Might be worth heeding with anything else sensitive too. Like bank details, emails etc. Dont dox yourself.
hey, if you type in your pw, it will show as stars ********* see!
What happens when you share a link to an image? Does Lemmy just save the link or does it make a copy of the image?
The link. It only saves the image if you upload it directly, since converting it to a link, and embedding the link is how Lemmy handles image uploads.
Welcome to the hell of being a lemmy admin. There’s a reason why lemmy admins are fed up with the developers.
Not sure I understand. How could there possibly be a solution? Isn’t this an inherent problem with federation? You can’t un-share information
The images aren’t federated afaik. They live on your home instance. If somebody else views them, they’re loaded directly from there.
However there’s no link between the images and your account. You can’t delete them yourself because Lemmy doesn’t store the “delete token”. They’re effectively orphaned.
Not true, images are federated. Sometimes they are not copied if your instance has a lower image size limit than the instance the image came from (if the image is too large), but generally images are copied between instances.
I did check a few embedded images, and they still seemed to be served from the original. So I dunno. Maybe they’re copied and still served from the original, which would be an odd thing to do.
Aah the embedded ones in comments? Yes to my knowledge those aren’t federated. But pictures posted as posts will be federated.
There could be a legally binding contract stating that any deletion request must be forwarded to all parties it was send to, and that upon receiving such a request the data must be deleted. I do not think this would be unreasonable to ask to servers, especially as this deletion receipt could be fully automated.
Or there could be a delay of one minute before posts get federated, giving the user the option to quickly delete a comment or post.
That’s a great idea :) Maybe you can submit a feature request for this on GitHub?
legally binding contract
Maybe, but consider that federated servers may be located in entirely different legal jurisdictions, so this might be hard to create, let alone enforce.
When writing a contract you can just specify which legal system the parties agree to use - this is quite common.
I don’t think it will ever come to a lawsuit, nobody would ever want that. Under the GDPR you must be able to delete content, and the server must communicate this to all federated servers. So in effect, there is already a legally binding agreement between all servers that this deletion request must be honored (for people physically in the eu), it’s just not.
lemmy servers are already breaking the GDPR if they don’t follow forwarded deletion requests from people in the eu. This would just effectively be an extension of this to data from all people.
But you can delete your copy, ask others nicely to delete theirs, and refuse to accept more copies of the same thing.
I’m not sure if Lemmy supports any of this, but it seems pretty important for e.g. child porn.
How can you refuse to accept more copies of the same thing, when you deleted all the version it can compare itself to?
When you get a deletion request, hash the bytes and store the hash.
For context, there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes when it comes to lemmy admin stuff especially in the matrix channels. There is a significant frustration and lack of confidence in the lemmy developers at this point. Even those who try to contribute to the project get eventually feeling pushed out.
Even those who try to contribute to the project get eventually feeling pushed out.
Submitting a pull request to one of their repos on Github was really an experience, and I can tell you that I will never submit another one to the Lemmy project while they’re still the lead devs based on that experience.
That sucks. As a 3rd party Lemmy app developer, I’ve only had positive interactions with the Lemmy devs. They’re even being proactive in communications.
Are they open to these discussions?
Try submitting a pull request for something in one of the core repos.
They behave as if every line of code in your commit is a sentence proclaiming “Why yes, your wife is a whore, your dog doesn’t love you, AND your baby is ugly.”
I’m not kidding, there’s no hyperbole in that statement. Go read some of their declined pull requests threads for some entertainment.
Better to publish such issues on a public website than let it get buried in matrix. People other than devs & instance admins need to be aware of the risks that they’re taking when using Lemmy.
Based on what I’ve seen on the public facing part of the developer side, I get the feeling this isn’t the kind of group that can build the kind of organization required to make this sustainable in the long run.
I’m just waiting for when Beehaw releases that they’ve given up on Lemmy and have created a new tech stack.
We already have Sublinks
In terms of new tech stack currently theres sublinks being made by devs/admins of a bunch of instances (discuss.online, lemmy.world, programming.dev, etc.)
Anything public yet and are they sticking to Rust?
Java spring for backend, Go for federation, Next.js for frontend
demo.sublinks.org has the backend with the lemmy-ui frontend to show api compatibility
Task list and progress is public on the github org https://github.com/orgs/sublinks/projects/1
Matrix space where all the devs talk is also public and you can see progress talked about in them
Not really a substantial opinion, but I have little hope that replacing a fairly well established Rust codebase with a brand new Java one will do much in terms of increasing contribution.
Who knows. Java is a much bigger programming language than Rust. Might be easier to find developers. But obviously it depends on interest. Who knows.
Theres been a bunch of activity and people joining in in the dev matrix already
Backend pretty much already has parity and the frontend is currently the main thing that an updated demo is waiting on but should be ready really soon
I’ve been designing an updated home page recently for it that I’ll be pushing out this week that looks miles better than lemmy-ui since I could do everything from scratch and thus quickly
I wouldn’t shortchange how much making the barrier to entry lower can help. You have to fight Rust a lot to build anything complex, and that can have a chilling effect on contributions. This is not a dig at Rust; it has to force you to build things in a particular way because it has to guarantee memory safety at compile time. That isn’t to say that Rust’s approach is the only way to be sure your code is safe, mind you, just that Rust’s insistence on memory safety at compile time is constraining.
To be frank, this isn’t necessary most of the time, and Rust will force you to spend ages worrying about problems that may not apply to your project. Java gets a bad rap but it’s second only to Python in ease-of-use. When you’re working on an API-driven webapp, you really don’t need Rust’s efficiency as much as you need a well-defined architecture that people can easily contribute to.
I doubt it’ll magically fix everything on its own, but a combo of good contribution policies and a more approachable codebase might.
There’s also Kbin, I suppose.
Do they have an API yet?
Not in production.
There’s not a lot of dev time to go around at kbin.
It’s a somewhat similar story there, although the devs aren’t as difficult. Mbin is a fork and seems to be the codebase with the brightest future.
It’s open source. We don’t have to depend on the original developers.
If it gets too bad, someone can just make a fork.
Afaik people are just impatient with the developers and have different short term goals.
I mention a new tech stack because Beehaw brought it up as an option and a lot of people have commented on the difficulty of development in this environment.
That’d be disappointing. Rust seems like a great foundation.
It could still be rust. Code is always the easy part. Design and organization and funding are hard
Rust seems like a great foundation.
The fact that I know you’re referring to the programming language called “Rust” doesn’t make this sentence any less funny.
Perhaps there’s starting to be a Lemmy clone/alternative? I think it’s named Sublinks
What about kbin, isn’t that entirely different software that can be developed to phase out Lemmy?
From what I heard Kbin’s developer is very inactive, so people started a fork called Mbin. Mbin might be alright?
That’s kind of the impression I got but thought maybe I was just mistaken because I haven’t actually been hands-on with this project. That’s unfortunate to hear.
If you upload an image from your browser, there’s a little popup in the corner for a few seconds that allows you to delete it again. No such thing exists in the apps though and if you miss the popup, that’s it.
I’ve posted a selfie and cat pics.
I am unimportant and have little to steal. Though if someone starts shooting at me for paraphrasing far left theory, I’ll know I hit a nerve.
It’s not about if you’re important or not, it’s about if you become important to someone.
Don’t underestimate your own worth, everyone has something of at least little importance, because even someone “worthless” can be worth a lot to the right people.
That’s why it’s very important to be careful what you share.
Just the one?
The other leg was already off
hides pants in locker
Is that a John Locker?
So when I accidentally uploaded those Death Star plans…
Don’t worry. There was some little minor thing about a vent but is reported as fixed since it was discovered.
I’m on the side of the Death Star engineers. Nowhere in the spec was it required that Death Stars be Jedi-proof.
I’ll be honest, didn’t realize this was news to anyone online in general. What is posted online stays online, particularly if you wish it didn’t. Most especially if you make a stink about it.
Isn’t this in violation of the gdpr?
If that were the case, wouldn’t the entire Fediverse be against it? Since they can’t really be deleted because it gets sent everywhere.
I suspect it is the case.
The issue doesn’t seem to be the Fediverse itself, rather the fact that images uploaded to Lemmy are handled in a separate program that isn’t linked to it in a way you can delete from by just deleting posts. The images aren’t marked as owned by you, so can’t be deleted again. You’d need some way of storing those image deletion tokens against your account, so you can manage them yourself and be able to delete them again.
And this would have to include images that you uploaded and didn’t make a post about. As far as I can tell they’re just left there on the server forever. Not even sure if it tells you which user uploaded it, although it might log by IP address. I haven’t looked too deeply into the code but there’s potential for abuse there.
Yes and no.
let’s say I have a website that hosts user generated content like a forum or something. Some other person just hosts a mirror of my website that is not under my control. If some user requests me to delete his data, I can do that. i cannot delete the data from the mirror site.
Nothing else is happening in the fediverse. The only difference is, that in the fediverse the license and technology is set up to encourage mirroring content.
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Things you post publicly online just aren’t private
“Traditional” social media is not meant to be private, what you post always has been public knowledge, and stays that way.
There are certainly advantages and drawback to this open approach. So use a chat app if you want private social media, like signal story.
While I don’t disagree with what you say, it’s always safe to assume that once something had been online, anybody can copy/screenshot the content.
How exactly does Lemmy remain in compliance with laws regarding, for example, a user’s right to have all data associated with their account deleted (right to erasure, etc), or ensure that it is only kept for a time period reasonable while the user is actively using your services (data protection retention periods, etc)?
It’s not a big deal for me, just strange to think Lemmy of all places would be built to be so anti user’s data rights. The user is ultimately the one that decides what is done with their information/property, after all.
Because Federation is a terrible idea
But think of Reddit, they can delete a post but a bunch of archived websites will still have it. That doesn’t make Reddit non-compliant
Why is federation bad? It’s the only way to decentralize without having everyone scattered across millions of sites.
The days prior to 2014 are gone and for the most part, the overwhelming majority of people don’t want to register across dozens of sites. Everyone naturally gravitates toward massive content silos where they can get everything in one place.
It’s not bad in principle, but so far there hasn’t been an implementation that fully addresses all relevant issues.
For the health of the internet you want people scattered across millions of websites
And the need for regulations that limit active users isn’t a reason to contribute further to the problem
Preventing congregation weakens the effectiveness of disinformation and propaganda campaigns, and protects against bullying
For the health of the internet you want people scattered across millions of websites
I don’t understand this point. Federation brings everyone together. I don’t understand why it’s bad for everyone to spread out.
Preventing congregation weakens the effectiveness of disinformation and propaganda campaigns, and protects against bullying
This is a contradiction. This is an argument for having everyone decentralized rather then together in massive content silos.
This is an argument for having everyone decentralized rather then together in massive content silos.
Yes, if everyone is together it is much easier for misinformation to spread
If a Russian content farm was to try and get a message out would it be easier if they made one post seen by millions or thousands of posts seen by a few thousand people
Even Lemmy mods know federation is a bad thing because their answer to preventing the above is defederating
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GDPR does not depend on business size, there are just a few stricter requirements when you have more than 250 employees. But most of the GDPR still applies to my knowledge.
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Uhuh, suuureeeee. Tell that to any number of fines that has yearly been issued by my country’s GDPR oversight agency on ordinary citizens.
GDPR only applies when people file reports and when there are lawsuits. There’s literally no shortage of articles of people fined for GDPR violations, all people need to do is search for them.
When someone files the inevitable court case, please let me know. I have some admin behavior bullshit I will be willing to personally get in contact with the lawyers about that I think could help it.
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You confuse things. Just read: https://www.compliancejunction.com/gdpr-guideline-for-companies-with-less-than-250-employees/
If you think that your company can simply ignore the introduction of the GDPR and continue as before, well, think again. Any company that is found not to be complying with regulations of GDPR can be penalized with heavy fines, or a company may have to suspend or stop processing personal data. In fact, many companies are not yet ready for GDPR because they figure this legislation will not influence their company.
DPR compliance is as important for companies with less than 250 employees as it is for large multi-national corporations. Consequently, many companies have chosen to appoint a Data Protection Officer (DPO) to address to the GDPR requirements or appoint a consultancy company to get their GDPR preparations started before delegating the role to an existing employee. For further information about this option, please refer to our article “Do Small Companies Need to Appoint a DPO under GDPR?”
Not sure how you think individual people can get fined under the GDPR but companies with less than 250 employees can’t. This is just about the only exemption:
Article 30 of GDPR is about a data inventory record and provides one potential exception for Organisations with less than 250 employees. This is a limited exemption which states that Organisations with less than 250 employees may be exempt from maintaining a data Inventory or record of processing activities. This Exemption is a minor exemption and only applies for Organisations with less than 250 employees in certain circumstances where there is no processing that is likely to result in a risk to the rights and freedoms of data subjects, the processing is only occasional, excludes special categories of personal data and personal data related to criminal convictions. The Full text of Article 30 is below. This limited exemption should in no means be interpreted by Organisations with less than 250 employees as an authorisation to ignore overall GDPR Compliance.
suck my balls
Doesn’t matter. Lemmy instances are technically “entities” so the law applies to them. You don’t have to be a business, just “anything that processes EU citizen’s personal data”.
citizen
Actually I believe it’s “residents”. You don’t need to be a citizen.
suck my balls
… At this point, you realize you are just grasping at straws, right? And ones you are seriously misunderstanding, given your previous less than 250 employees statement.
It’s not much, but I would advice you to read the second answer here, https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/29052/do-web-applications-as-hobby-projects-need-to-comply-with-the-gdpr , and seriously think about whether a site with many more users and much more personal data, specially those receiving revenue streams in the form of donations and with a team made up of more than one person https://team.lemmy.world/ , would be more or less likely to be accountable to the GDPR under a court of law than a personal blog.
Ruud should probably be getting in contact with https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/contact/informatie-en-meldpunt-privacy-imp or on the telephone Monday to Thursday from 10 a.m. to 12 noon on 088-1805250 if he hasn’t already.
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Lemmy is not a singular software or website, every instance on its own need to ensure compliance with their respective laws where they are domiciled.
But if instance A is domiciled in the EU, and the content mirrored to instance B in Zimbabwe, where no right to be forgotten exists, then a user of instance A can’t invoke any laws beyond what the local admin can control.
That’s amazing for high availability of content - it’s essentially mirrored in perpetuity - but a nightmare for privacy advocates. AFAIK there haven’t been any court cases related to deletion requests, so that’s still virgin territory.
Instances located in Zimbabwe still have to comply with the GDPR, as the law applies to any entity that processes EU citizen’s personal data, regardless of where this happens. Instance B would also have to comply with a deletion request, or whatever EU member state the citizen is from will impose a fine and seize assets if necessary.
This is the stupidest claim GDPR makes. It’s completely unenforceable and it’s attempting to enforce EU law in countries outside of the EU, which goes completely against any norms in international relations.
I don’t see how it could be enforced without this. If you are operating internationally, comply or block your service from regions you cannot legally operate in.
Personally I don’t think Lemmy should comply. It’s an ad free community service with zero PII obligation besides an email and whatever IP you choose to connect from. No one has to be on Lemmy for any common social obligations.
If you want to be forgotten then leave!
If you are operating internationally, comply or block your service from regions you cannot legally operate in.
Couple of problems with this. First, it’s putting the onus on a company that does not operate in Europe to figure out what European law is and to try to comply with it. Why should they have to do that? If you’re not operating in an area, you should not have to ever give any consideration whatsoever to the laws of that area.
The second is that, unless I’m misinformed, the EU claims its law applies to any EU citizen, regardless of location. Which means if a Dutch person moves to Australia and uses Australian companies’ services, the EU says “hey, Australian company, you gotta do what this Dutch person says with their data”. Which is utterly ridiculous.
It absolutely is enforceable, and the EU has already enforced it several times.
The EU can of course try to seize assets, but in many cases they have signed a treaty with other countries stating they have the right to enforce the GDPR within their borders. Think a bit in the sense of an extradition treaty. For the US, this is the EU-US Data Privacy Framework for example.
This means the EU absolutely can, will and has the means to enforce the GDPR abroad.
Dear aussie.zone users,
I can delete photos. Just give me the url of the photo you need killed and I’ll happily delete it for you. But also, don’t (accidentally) upload a nude.
But won’t answer DMs about an instance bug where being temp banned from one community functions as an instance wide ban
Huh.
You are correct - there is a message in my inbox from you. I honestly didn’t realise/see it. I’ll reply privately.
Assuming it’s not a joke that flew over my head, how could any individual instance remove the images once replicated? Is the removal from the original instance cascaded?
There’s no technical reason you can’t delete an image that’s been replicated. There’s an API to replicate the data, there can also be apis to delete the replicas (and apparently there are?)
It is my understanding that images are never federated and always reference from the source instance… But, the text is fully federated.
That’s not true, images are also copied over. This is also for efficiency reasons and to spread the load of the image out to the servers. Sometimes you’ll see images not being copied to your own instance, but that might be because your instance has a lower image size limit than the instance it was uploaded to originally.
Are you sure you want to insert a cheat code?
Yes.
Allyournudesarebelongtous
Cheat activated!
OH NO,
Anyway…
What is the name of this genre? Asking for a friend.
AI prompt in the bingilator was “the fall of Rome, but the Romans are all sailor moon and the barbarians are slime monsters”
If weird nonsense is what you want then check out !imageai@sh.itjust.works
Guess more from this “genre”
Rcan you do sumfing with Master Belch from Earthbound replacing the slimes?
Also, adorably evil
Those slimez are adorbs
Don’t be fooled, they’re killing machines
Prompt: “Some nut on Lemmy wanted to make an AI picture with the prompt, “the fall of Rome, but the Romans are all sailor moon and the barbarians are slime monsters” for some reason.”
Congratulations, @M0oP0o@mander.xyz, you’re Jesus.
umm what’s going on with the one on the right with a blue skirt
She’s got a slime in there, duh. Don’t you understand the genre at all?
もちろん
This light novel has already been greenlit for becoming an anime btw. “I was hit by a truck and transported to another world where I became a slime tamer jesus and took over the empire with my harem of magical girls.” It’s going to be a hit.
Oh, these are just left overs from past fancies.
They can get way weirder:
Why is that one just a banana lmao
What exactly is a KYC selfie? Is it a photo of an ID card? I figured out WUI is WebUI. The author uses some strange acronyms I never heard before.
It’s very American that they can steal your identity with just one photo. My European state issued ID has data on both sides, so if someone would take a photo of it won’t be enough for anything. Also if you loose it you just get a new one and noone can use the old one for anything.
Probably “know your customer” selfie. Might be a picture of their ID, a picture of themselves, or a picture with both them and ID.
KYC is “Know Your Customer” aka identity verification. Usually it would be something like a selfie of you holding your ID, proving you are the person on the card. If you think getting your identity stolen from one picture is bad, wait until you learn about social security numbers. It’s a 9 digit number based on publicly available information about you that is incredibly easy to figure out, and are used as like the defacto way of verifying your identity in the US, when that was never its intended purpose.
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KYC is Business/Finance lingo - “Know Your Client”.
Yeah the fact that exposing one number/piece of information puts you at risk to a significant amount of other information about you being exposed is peak USA.
KYC = Know Your Customer, a team I just learned recently. It’s primarily related to financial transactions, to make crimes like money laundering or terrorism financing harder. Up until relatively recently this was something that primarily happened face-to-face, and it doesn’t seem like good controls have been developed for online use.
I think some ID cards are single-sided, some are double-sided. One of the big problems is most Americans only have a state-issued ID, not a federal one, and the standards vary from state to state. They’ve tried to address this some with minimum standards for state IDs (mainly driver’s licenses) under a program called Real ID (enacted after 9/11 hijackers got state-issued IDs for false identities), but it was still optional for certain purposes, at least until recently. In my state for a long time when renewing your driver’s license it was optional to do the extra paperwork for a Real ID, but then there would be a note on the top that it was not valid for federal identification purposes, such as accessing certain government facilities or boarding an airplane. Since I have a passport I’ve never bothered with it, but it looks like this year getting a Real ID is mandatory when getting or renewing a driver’s license in my state.
Minnesota just extended it to 2025 again. I can’t get into federally secure buildings, but I can board a plane.
And until I can’t, I’m not going to. Part of me likes to think they haven’t mandated it yet because I’m holding out.
Which is really because of pure laziness than actual protest
It’s mostly a religious thing. The “left behind” Christians believe a federal ID is the “Mark of the Beast”.
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Author here. A “KYC Selfie” is a selfie photo where you hold-up a State-issued photo-identity document next to your face. This is not a US-specific thing; it’s also used in the EU.
I used to work for a bank in Europe where we used KYC seflies for authentication of customers opening new accounts (or recovering accounts from lost credentials), including European customers. Most KYC Selfies are taken with a passport (where all the information is on one-side), but if your ID has data on both sides then the entity asking you for the KYC seflie may require you to take two photos: showing both sides.
Some countries in the EU have cryptographic authentication with eIDs. The example I linked-to in the article is Estonia, who has made auth-by-State-issued-private-key mandatory for over a decade. Currently MEPs are deciding on an eID standard, which is targeting making eIDs a requirement for all EU Member States by 2016.
I recommend the Please Identify Yourself! talk at 37c3 about the state of eID legislation as of Dec 2023 (and how to learn from India, who did eID horribly wrong):
Damnit. I wish I known that an hour ago. I guess my butthole pic will live on with the internet for an eternity.
It really is a nice butthole
Great, now you made me want to check their profile to see if they did indeed uploaded a picture of their butthole.
I am saved by my ultra slow internet and going to have to take your word for it.
“That’s America’s butthole.”
