A trial program conducted by Pornhub in collaboration with UK-based child protection organizations aimed to deter users from searching for child abuse material (CSAM) on its website. Whenever CSAM-related terms were searched, a warning message and a chatbot appeared, directing users to support services. The trial reported a significant reduction in CSAM searches and an increase in users seeking help. Despite some limitations in data and complexity, the chatbot showed promise in deterring illegal behavior online. While the trial has ended, the chatbot and warnings remain active on Pornhub’s UK site, with hopes for similar measures across other platforms to create a safer internet environment.
directing users to support services.
if those services are actually helpful, then hell yeah
Did it? Or did it make them look elsewhere?
The amount of school uniform, braces, pigtails and step-sister porn on Pornhub makes me think they want the nonces to watch.
Also, I’m curious about false positives
I kind of want to trigger it to see what searches it reacts to, but at the same time I don’t want my IP address on a watchlist.
Tor mabe useful if its not clowdflare blocked
I miss the days when you just didn’t see that shit around.
And what days were those? Cuz you pretty much need to go all the way back to pre-internet days. Hell, even that isn’t far enough, cuz Playboy’s youngest model was like 12 at one point.
Depressing, isn’t it? I was more talking about how prevalent “fauxcest” has become in porn more recently. I guess that’s just my cross to bear as an only child 💅
Wtf? For real? Was cp not federal illegal when they did that.
Lol!
Reasonable adults sites don’t return obviously sketchy things for reasonable queries. EG you don’t search boobs and get 12 year olds.
given the amount of extremely edgy content already on Pornhub, this is kinda sus
Yeah…i am honestly curious what these search terms were, how many of those were ACTUALLY looking for CP. And of those…how many are now flagged somewhow?
I know I got the warning when I searched for young gymnast or something like that cuz I was trying to find a specific video I had seen before. False positives can be annoying, but that’s the only time I’ve ever encountered it.
lol and there we fucking go. I knew there would be bullshit like that there in the mix.
I was wondering what sort of phrases get that notification but mentioning that mind be a bit counterproductive
I’m not sure if it’s related but as a life-long miniskirt lover I’ve noticed that many sites no longer return results for the term “schoolgirl” and instead you need to search for a “student”
“Young” and “playful” probably.
The MLs have been shown to be extraordinarily good at statistically guessing your words. The words covered are probably comprehensive.
I think the other article talks about it being a manually curated list because while ML can get correct words it also gets random stuff, so you need to check it isn’t making spurious connections. It’s pretty interesting how it all works
Obviously don’t google this, but IRC one of the terms used was lemon party.
Really?
Can you very loosely tell me what that is so I don’t have to google it?
Lemon party was a bunch of old naked dudes sat in a group i think… Mightve been involving themselves with each other? It’s been a fucking loooong ass time since I got shown that and meatspin at school lol
hahaha… it saddens me that only those >30yrs old may get this.
Hey now, I understood that reference and I’m… only… 27.
30 years draws ever nearer.
Old school
Aylo maintains a list of more than 28,000 banned terms in multiple languages, which is constantly being updated.
Id be very curious what these terms are, but I wouldn’t be surprised if “pizza guy” or “school uniform” would trigger a response.
To be fair people are dumb as fuck, don’t search for illegal things on Google or any site that is well known cause that’s how you end up on some watch list.
That kinda sounds reasonable. Especially if it can prevent someone going down that rabbithole? Good job PH.
Sounds like a good feature. Anything that stops people from doing that is great.
But I do have to wonder… were people really expecting to find that content on PornHub? That site certainly seems legit enough that I doubt they’d have that stuff on there. I’d imagine most actual content would be on the dark web and specialty groups, not on PH.
wree people really expecting to find that content on PornHub?
Welcome to the internet 😂 where people constantly disappoint/surprise you (what word is that? Dissurprise? Disurprint?
PH had a pretty big problem with CSAM a few years ago, they ended up wiping ~2/3rds of their user submitted content to try fix it. (Note, they wiped all non-verified user submitted videos, not all of it was CSAM).
And im guessing they are trying to catch users who are trending towards questionable material. "College"✅ -> "Teen"⚠️ -> "Young Teen"⚠️⚠️⚠️ -> "CSAM"🚔 etc.
That explains why it’s all commercial stuff now… So I heard.
Sure sure, whatever you say Big Dick :D
Big head, rather
No, no, it’s French. Macro ce phallique. It means “macro this phallic.” Obviously.
Wow, that bad? I was aware they purged a lot of ‘amateur’ content over concerns regarding consent to upload/revenge porn, but I didn’t know it was that much.
Yeah, unverified user content had a lot of problems. Also piracy and gore etc.
The purge appears to have hit almost 9 million of the 13.5 million videos on Pornhub as of Sunday, or nearly two-thirds of all the content hosted on the site.
Eeeeeeeh. There’s nuance.
IIRC there were only a handful of verified CSAM videos on the entire website. It’s inevitable, it happens everywhere with UGC, including on here. Anecdotally, in the years leading up to the purge PH had already cleaned up its act and from what I saw pirated content was rather well moderated. However this time the media made a huge stink about the alleged CSAM, payment processors threatened to pull out (they are notoriously very puritan, it’s caused a lot of trouble to lemmynsfw’s admins for instance) and so regardless of the validity of the initial claims PH had to do something to gain back the trust of payment processors, so they basically nuked every video that did not have a government ID attached.
Now if I may speculate a little, one of the reasons it happened this way is probably that due to its industry position PH is way better moderated than most (if not all) websites of their size and already had verified a bunch of its creators. At the same time the rise of OnlyFans and similar websites means that real amateur content has all but disappeared so there was less and less reason to allow random UGC anyway. So the high moderation costs probably didn’t make much sense anymore anyway.
Yeah, there was a lot of reasons. CSAM was just the loud reason.
Spot on. The availability of CSAM was overblown by a well funded special interest group (Exodus Cry). The articles about it were pretty much ghost written by them.
When you’re the biggest company in porn you’ve got a target on your back. In my opinion they removed all user content to avoid even the appearance of supporting CSAM, not because they were guilty of anything.
PornHub has been very open about normalizing healthy sexuality for years, while also providing interesting data access for both scientists and the general public.
“Exodus Cry is an American Christian non-profit advocacy organization seeking the abolition of the legal commercial sex industry, including pornography, strip clubs, and sex work, as well as illegal sex trafficking.[2] It has been described by the New York Daily News,[3] TheWrap,[4] and others as anti-LGBT, with ties to the anti-abortion movement.[5]”
They’re the fuckers who almost turned OF into Pinterest as well? Not surprising in retrospect. The crazy thing is how all news outlets ran with the narrative and payment processors are so flaky with adult content. De-platforming sex work shouldn’t be this easy.
I think it’s an early prevention type of thing.
It had all sorts of illegal things before they purged everyone unverified due to legal pressure
So…pornhub has actually had problems with CSAM. It used to be much more of a Youtube-like platform where anyone can upload.
Even without that aspect, there are a looot of producers that don’t do their checks well and a lot of underage actresses that fall through the cracks
This is one of the more horrifying features of the future of generative AI.
There is literally no stopping it at this stage: AI generated CSAM will be possible soon thanks to systems like SORA.
This is disgusting and awful. But one part of me hopes it can end the black market of real CSAM content forever. By flooding it with infinite fakes, users with that sickness can look at something that didn’t come from a real child’s suffering. It’s the darkest of silver linings I think, but I spoke with many sexual abuse survivors who feel the same about the loli hentai in Japan, in that it could be an outlet for these individuals instead of them finding their own.
Dark topics. But I hope to see more actions like this in the future. If pedos can self isolate from IRL interactions and curb their ways with content that harms no one, then everyone wins.
What do you mean soon, local models from civitai can generate CSAM for at least 2 years. I don’t think it’s possible to stop it unless the model creator does something to prevent it from generate naked people in general like the neutered SDXL.
True. For obvious reasons I haven’t looked too deeply down that rabbit hole because RIP my search history, but I kind of assumed it would be soon. I’m thinking more specifically about models like SORA though. Where you could feed it enough input, then type a sentence to get video content. That is going to be a different level of darkness.
Are… we looking at the same article? This isn’t about AI generated CSAM, it’s about redirecting those who are searching for CSAM to support services.
Yes, but this is more about mitigating the spread of CSAM. And my feeling was it’s going to become somewhat impossible soon. AI generated porn is starting to flood the market and this chat it is also one of those “smart” attempts to mitigate this behavior. I’m saying that very soon, it will be something users don’t have to go anywhere to get if the model can just fabricate it out of thin air, so the chat it mitigation is only temporary, and the dark web of actual CSAM material will become overwhelmed and swamped in artificially generating new tidal waves of artificial CP. So it’s an alarming ethical dilemma we are on the horizon of that we need to think about.
The question is if consuming AI cp is helping to regulate the pedophiles behavior or if it’s enabling a progression of the condition. As far as I know that is an unanswered question.
It’s very much been already answered:
For porn in general, yes - I think the data is rather clear. But for cp or related substitute content it’s not that definitive (to my knowledge), be it just for the reason that it’s really difficult to collect data on that sensitive topic.
Why would it be any different? If it’s about sexual gratification by their chosen media then I’d imagine it wouldn’t matter what the subject was, but obviously it’s always necessary to get actual data to know for sure.
Why would it be any different?
Because pedophiles display pathological deviation when it comes to sexual attraction.
I think you’re making assumptions that aren’t fair but maybe aren’t obvious either. Honestly I’m only thinking about this because I just watched the contrapoints video on twilight, and so I’ll use her example, though she’s talking about a slightly different topic. Gonna paraphrase like a mofo:
Weird Power dynamics between partners in a fantasy, like twilight, or say porn since we are being obvious here, is normal because self image often requires women to present one way while hiding their desires for sex. It’s absolution of a sort, and is ostensibly healthy to explore in this way. That said… Some examples such as race play in fantasies may dehumanize the “other” in super not cool ways and reinforce negative racial stereotypes.
If we take that and extend it to pedophiles, normalization of the thought process leading to that sort of disfunction/disorder seems like a not great thing, but yeah, we’d need to study to learn more and that seems both difficult and likely undesirable for the researchers.
Another question is, how will the authorities know the difference? An actual csam-haver can just claim it’s AI
It’d still be CSAM whether AI or not.
Don’t know why you’re down voted. You’re right, it’s CSAM, which encompasses any depiction of CP.
Because “CSAM” states abuse as the third word in the acronym. Machine learning could (in theory, I lack knowledge on the current implementations) be trained without any children being abused (in any traditional sense anyway) and used to produce the content without any real children being involved (ignoring training data).
The downvotes likely come from a difference in definition between abuse and CP, images of nonexistent people cannot realistically harm anyone.
Personally, I don’t think it’s arbitrary. A child in a sexual scenario is a depiction of abuse. Normal, healthy children don’t engage in such behaviors.
depiction yes, but if no person or animal is harmed is it abuse?
You’re hitting that “protest too much” shtick pretty hard
And you’re projecting pretty hard.
Ah, one of the “using words they don’t understand” crew.
And several hours late, too.
Swinging for the fences, aren’t you?
So your takeaway is I’m… Against AI generative images and thus I “protest too much”
I can’t tell if you’re pro AI and dislike me, or pro loli hentai and thus dislike.
Dude, AI images and AI video are inevitable. To pretend that does have huge effects on society is stupid. It’s going to reshape all news media, very quickly. If reddit is 99% AI generated bot spam garbage with no verification of what is authentic, reddit is functionally dead, and we are on a train with no brakes in that direction for most public forums.
Nope, not my takes.
But go off
You should probably research the phrase “protest too much” and the word “schtick” then.
I’m not trying to clutch pearls here, as another poster here commented this isn’t a theoretical concern.
You aren’t trying to clutch pearls, but your pearls were just so available you felt you had to jump on the bandwagon to reply to a two-day old comment?
Nobody said this was a theoretical concern and it’s okay if you don’t understand the phrases " protest too much" and "shtick“, but you can ask for the definitions and relevance directly instead of fishing.
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Assembly line work sound more soul crushing.
Yes, please! fuck me in the ass instead, where do I sign ? At least my back and knees will still work afterwards.
How about you work at the assembly line while being paid and treated so poorly it’ll feel like you’re being fucked in the ass? Win-win!
Not like this :crying emoji:
Is pornhub in the porn industry? They are just a tech company.
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You did?..
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Yes, and I asked “is pornbhub in the porn industry”. Are you high?
Unless you’re the one toiling away in the porn mines.
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It’s surprising to see Aylo (formerly Mindgeek) coming out with the most ethical use of AI chatbots, especially when Google Gemini cannot even condemn pedophilia.
In the link you shared, Gemini gave a nuanced answer. What would you rather it say?
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I think one of the main issues is the matter of fact usage of the term Minor Attracted Person. It’s a controversial term that phrases pedophiles like an identity, like saying Person Of Color.
I understand wanting a not as judgemental term for those who did no wrong and are seeking help. But it should be phrased as anything else of that nature, a disorder.
If I was making a term that fit that description I’d probably say Minor Attraction Disorder heavily implying that the person is not ok as is and needs professional help.
In a more general sense, it feels like the similar apologetic arguments that the dark side of reddit would make. And that’s probably because Google’s officially using Reddit as training data.
Are you defending pedophilia? This is a honest question because you are saying it gave a nuanced answer when we all, should, know that it’s horribly wrong and awful.
when we all, should, know that it’s horribly wrong and awful. [sic, the word “should” shouldn’t be between commas]
This assumes two things:
- Some kind of universal, inherent and self evident morality; None of these things are true, as evidence by the fact most people do believe murder is wrong, yet there are wars, events entirely dedicated to murdering people. People do need to be told something wrong is wrong in order to know so. Maybe some of these people were never exposed to the moral consensus or, worse yet, were victims themselves and as a result developed a distorted sense of morality;
- Not necessarily all, but some of these divergents are actually mentally ill - their “inclination” isn’t a choice any more than being schizofrenic or homosexual† would be. That isn’t a defense to their actions, but a recognition that without social backing and help, they could probably never overcome their nature.
† This is not an implication that homosexuality is in any way, or should in any way, be classified as a mental illness. It’s an example of a primary individual characteristic not derived from choice.
Abusing a child is wrong. Feeling the urge to do so doesn’t make someone evil, so long as they recognize it’s wrong to do so. The best way to stop kids from being abused is to teach why it is wrong and help those with the urges to manage them. Calling people evil detracts from that goal.
What you are thinking about is child abuse. A pedophile is not bound to bcome an abuser.
Incredibly stupid and obviously false “think of the children” propaganda. And you all lap it up. They’re building aroubd you a version of the panopticon so extrene and disgusting that even people in the 1800s would have been outraged to use it against prisoners. Yet you applaud. I think this means you do deserve your coming enslavement.
I strongly encourage you to block with abandon
you got any more of them blocks?
I held off instance filtering lemmy.ml for months for all the reasons you mentioned but I finally gave up I did it 6 weeks ago. It made a marked improvement in my Lemmy experience so I’d advise to just do it.
How is this building that?
Like I’m a privacy but and very against surveillance, but this doesn’t seem to be that. It is a model that seems like could even be deployed to more privacy friendly sites (PH is not that).
In context, each paver in the road to hell seems just and good intentionned
But after all we’ve been through, falling for this trick again, it’s a choice. Maybe they think, this time, they’ll be the ones wearing the boots.
But how does this at all enable anything to worry about?
Normalizes using AI to profile user’s search history in a non-anonimous way. People used to say, if I die delete my browser history. Now they’re glad caretaker AI are keeping an eye on everyone’s search. Soon we won’t be able to take a shit with AI knowing what we had for diner. But hey, THINK OF THE FUCKING CHILDREN
They already have this data, they already used AI over it, they already sell it. Thats their business model.
I agree that’s an issue, but its not specific to this nor is this dependent on this.
Yes, this is not new, it is just about normalization and testing the waters for backlash before they do something, less whiteknightey with it and they don’t manage to keep it out of the news.
The panopticon is… a chatbot that suggests you get help if you search for CSAM? Those bastards! /s
Classic slow boiling frog response. Enjoy the stew
And, why? I mean it’s nice of you to make these claims, but what the hell does reducing csam searches have to do with the panopticon and us becoming enslaved?
You can just encounter shit like that on phub?
Probably not, but you can still use related search terms.
You used to, until the sites content got nuked
Not since the wipe, AFAIK. Still, at the bottom of the page you can (or at least could, haven’t used their services in a while) see a list of recent searches from all users, and you’d often find some disturbing shit.
If you read the paragraph thats literally right there it says when certain terms were searched by the user.
…That paragraph doesn’t say anything about whether or not the material is on the site though. I had the same reaction as the other person, and I didn’t misread the paragraph that’s literally right there.
I did misread that, thanks
The headline is slightly misleading. 2.8 million searches were halted, but according to the article they didn’t attempt to figure out how many of those searches came from the same users. So thankfully the number of secret pedophiles in the UK is probably much lower than the headline might suggest.
I suspect a lot of CSAM searches come from underage users themselves
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Same thing for me when I was 13. I freaked the fuck out when I saw a wikipedia article on the right. I thought I was going to jail the next day lmfao
I’d think it’s probably not a majority, but I do wonder what percentage it actually is. I do have distinct memories of being like 12 and trying to find porn of people my own age instead of “gross old people” and being confused why I couldn’t find anything. Kids are stupid lol, that’s why laws protecting them need to exist.
Also good god when I become a parent I am going to do proper network monitoring; in hindsight I should not have been left unattended on the internet at 12.
It’s not about laws, it’s about sexual education. Sexual education is a topic that can’t be left to the parents and should be explained in school, so as to give the kids a complete knowledge base.
Most parents know about sex as much as they know about medicines. They’ve had some, but that doesn’t give them a degree for teaching that stuff.
I was the same back then. And have come across some stuff which is surprisingly easy to find. Later to realize how messed up that was.
I think monitoring is good but it has a fine line not to cross in your child privacy. If they suspect anything they sure know how to work around it and you loose any insight.
Sorry I know this is a serious subject and not a laughing matter but that’s a funny situation. I guess I was a MILF hunter at that age because even then I was perfectly happy to knock one out watching adult porn instead!
Google does this too, my wife was searching for “slutty schoolgirl” costumes and Google was like “have a seat ma’am”
Big tech is teaching us about morality.
I do have to agree with them on that one. Fetishizing school uniforms worn by children gives some serious Steven Tyler vibes.
Sexuality is tightly connected to societal taboos, as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult - it’s no-one else businesses. There is no need or benefit in moralizing peoples sexuality.
To be clear, I absolutely agree. I’m not saying that people are immoral for liking some plaid. Just a kind of fetish that seems less “natural” (like spanking or bdsm) and more amplified in popular media in a parallel to sexualization of children in response to feminism (see: Brooke Shields’ experience) and that makes it one that I’m not comfortable participating in. But for those that don’t find their brains making such associations that are being safe, sane, and consensual, I wish wonderful, freaky times.
I’m not saying that people are immoral for liking some plaid.
Fetishizing school uniforms worn by children gives some serious Steven Tyler vibes. fetish that seems less “natural”
Sure sounds like you are. And you sound also rather judgy about it. Maybe it’s just a language thing - but at least that’s my impression.
It may well be my communication. The first statement was something of a half-joke at the expense of the rock singer and the normalization of predatory behavior towards minors that he and others engaged in during the height of rock’s popularity, not at the expense of people who like to engage in age-play.
I am very accepting of others kinks and do not judge individuals for activities that are safe, sane, and consensual. Accepting the people and their ethically-sound activities does not mean that one cannot have preferences and perceptions on the activities themselves. Our preferences and perceptions are shaped to a degree (large or small) by our experiences. Mine are most definitely colored to a significant degree by my own early childhood trauma, which makes anything approaching age-play, power-play, and CNC, even just by indirect association in my own thought processes, uncomfortable and unsexy to me.
I also find scat-play pretty disgusting (tbf, that’s probably part of the kink for some) but, I’m not going to turn someone away, unless they’ve not showered since their last session.
Our preferences and perceptions are shaped to a degree (large or small) by our experiences. Mine are most definitely colored to a significant degree by my own early childhood trauma, which makes anything approaching age-play, power-play, and CNC, even just by indirect association in my own thought processes, uncomfortable and unsexy to me.
Even if it means nothing from an internet stranger, sorry to hear you had traumatic childhood experiences. Makes sense that you are uncomfortable with said practices.
I also find scat-play pretty disgusting (tbf, that’s probably part of the kink for some)
We can agree on something here.
It’s still weird to sexualize children. It’s less weird when it’s teenagers and everyone is of age but it’s a weird thing to engage in constantly.
It’s sexualizing children in the same way as daddy porn sexualizes incest, you are taking fantasies at their literal face value without looking into what’s going on.
Google now gives you links to rehabs and addiction recovery centers when searching for harm reduction information about non-addictive drugs.
This has been going on for years. Enshittification.
It’s called rent seeking, there’s no need to coin a flashy new name.
it isn’t that misused buzzword but i don’t see how it’s rent seeking either
Literally different things lol
Oh just like an experiment the headline made me think someone was suing over this.
