Can’t tell you how strongly I disagree. It feels like the first people on Lemmy are the most insufferable know-it-all and holier-than-thou types from Reddit. Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux, and 2 commenters on topic, only to be called inferior by the Linux users. Same for Photoshop, same for social media, same for any paid software.
And everyone who has an opinion must insult anyone who disagrees like it’s political Twitter, only by people who think they’re smarter cause they were never on Twitter.
Lemmy is so toxic it’s delaying its development. People lurk cause there are too many assholes talking over everyone else.
The only thing that’s better is there are less of those “um ahcktually”, pedant types. If you say “everyone”, people mostly understand you don’t literally mean “everyone.”
You must be a car driving capitalist tankie to be hatting on this place.
jk, I definitely agree. This place is way more radicalized than Reddit, or at least it isn’t nearly as diluted by bots so it seems more prominent… Some dope people around here but I’m definitely losing hope that this place will grow into a cool place.
It’s all the same topic posts and the same hateful comments, but you can’t even find small active communities to get away from it.
I like risa on startrek.webaite, for one. you can def find cool communities.
Risa has gotten weird lately. I don’t find the meme as funny anymore. A lot of them just seem like the ‘oh so random’ humor that was funny when I was in middle school.
I think the instance really matters. My ‘all’ feed is full of toxic assholes but my subs are mostly rad folks.
Totally agree. I stopped seeing toxic people when I left Lemmy.World. idk why that is. It’s not like Lemmy.world is a terrible place or anything.
Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux,
Eh. That’s like the repeat of “Reddit is an anti-American circlejerk”: No, it isn’t. Never was. It was simply the place where many Americans first learned that people who live beyond the brim of their burgers actually exist, and have opinions.
You’re on a FLOSS platform. Don’t be surprised if fanboying for an aggressively monopolistic multinational with inferior technology, held up by duct tape and bribes to system integrators, doesn’t make you friends.
Uhh yeah no. I was on reddit for over a decade and the anti-american circle jerk (that is alive and kicking on lrmmy, btw) became much worse over the last few years.
Lemmy loves to pretend it’s culturally superior to reddit, but now we’ve just concentrated the elitists and political extremists into a smaller pool of users.
No, neither reddit or lemmy are anti-American. Not even unamerican. It’s much, much worse: They’re non-American. Reddit by I think a small majority, lemmy much more so.
If, then, a random jingoist Seppo comes along and considers themselves and their dysfunctional country god’s gift to humanity, well, it’s easy to predict how much people will cheer that on.
Add to that another, equally exceptionalist, breed of Seppos, just that those don’t think the US is the greatest thing to ever grace humankind, but the worst. That’s not anti-American either, they’re still exceptionalist and they’re still Seppos. Hexbear and lemmygrad are full of them.
Also y’all don’t get what taking the piss entails.
I agree with the sentiment that we are on a FLOSS platform, so most people are going to prefer Linux.
But the rest of that comment is silly.
Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.
Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?
And the last one really cracks me up about making friends. “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!
I think “fanboying” in general is the actual issue
Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?
I sense a veritable iceberg of a conspiracy theory, there: You think Reddit and lemmy are “anti-american” so as to influence American politics?
Pretty much anyone outside of the US doesn’t need an ulterior motive, be given money or whatever to talk shit about the US: You’re providing ample of reason and opportunity to do that as is, there’s no need to get the Russians or whoever involved. Also they’re only stoking flames (on both sides and a couple more), without a base level of idiocy they would have nothing to work with.
Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.
Why if not for that would they get a negative reaction to that here, then?
“Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!
…you’re in CS but not a developer or devops? You work at a soul-sucking job writing software for machinery or such that for have to run windows? Like, dunno, ATMs? And you and your colleagues developed Stockholm Syndrome?
I don’t have to run windows, or anything. I can run what I want.
But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.
But you do not believe social media is manipulated then, and is just a conspiracy theory? I never accused any party of being behind the manipulations and I haven’t provided any theoretical motivations. Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.
Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that’s why they “get a negative reaction”. Look how you are reacting to someone just mentioning the idea of mentioning windows ha!
But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.
Can you give an example of people shoehorning Linux into conversations? Usually the only comment I see is already on Linux, and it’s the Arch btw’s, which is a meme in itself. Maybe you need to search for subs you like, and subscribe to them, and have subscribed as the default view. All may not be your cup of tea, like all was never my cup of tea on reddit. You’re not always going to be in the majority view, and that is fine.
Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.
…of the population of the people using it, mostly, yes. Of course, we’ll never know what the lurkers think. None of it should be used for statistical analysis but you’ll get a reasonable spread of opinions deemed acceptable in a particular place – for example, on lemmy you’ll be hard-pressed to find Nazis or Trumpets as no admin wants to deal with that kind of headache. Tankies, too, can be readily seen to run a manipulative agenda and they’re not entirely welcome. Frankly speaking influencing stuff just by posting is rather hard, to have to influence content discovery algorithms (which are dumb as bread in lemmy’s case and that’s good).
Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that’s why they “get a negative reaction”.
Dude I’ve been running Linux as my primary desktop since the early 2000s, I’m too old for that shit. Back in the days I was a freshly-baked programmer tinkering around everywhere, by now I largely simply want a system that a) works out of the box in a sensible manner and that b) I can mess with if required. I also have a windows installation for a game or the other and the occasional testing of builds and believe me it certainly doesn’t fulfil a) and b), well, I don’t know it well enough and the documentation sucks.
The usual context I see Linux mentioned in on lemmy is gaming, or in context of just what at shitshow Windows 11 is regarding ads and whatnot. That’s not shoehorning.
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Curious, I’ve seen it all over lemmy. I’ve got a couple different accounts for… reasons, and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS. I was immediately berated for MANY reasons including, being a failure for not educating my family, not caring about my family’s safety, personally signing them up for the FasTrack to identity theft and scammers, and that Linux is ACTuaLLY simpler and easier to use.
This is pretty tame compared to the piracy guys as well.
and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS.
Yeah you’re pretty much objectively wrong there. With OSX you could’ve had a point but Windows is a nightmare if you have to administer a box for family.
…don’t tell me your parents and grandparents absolutely have to use 3ds Max.
How do you literally, literally run head-first into the point and still miss it?
I didn’t miss it. It’s rule 386.
What’s the 3dsmax bit from ?
It’s random software that indeed only runs on Windows. There’s not even a Mac version.
…but it’s also software that people generally don’t use privately, and for which FLOSS alternatives exist (Blender), arguably better software and because free also used by hobbyists, and even more insanely powerful commercial software that also runs on Linux (Houdini). Frankly speaking I’m surprised that a DOS 3d software package even made it into currentyear with all that IRIX competition.
I am familiar with it, I was just wondering where you pulled that from ? I didn’t see it mentioned in the OP
Some studios depend on it because they have a whole pipeline&talent revolving around it, but hobbyists ? indeed that’s weird
The main point is that there’s probably no Windows-only software that parents+grandparents absolutely need.
Same here. Maybe I’ve found a nice echo chamber to inhabit. Back when I was mostly using Lemmy.World I saw a lot of weirdos, but for some reason migrating to a different instance seems to have solved that problem. Maybe OP just needs to find an instance that works for them.
Same here — at least all of the communities I’ve interacted with
Exactly. I don’t really like it here
Then why are you here? 🤣
Where else is there to go if you want a mobile friendly link aggregator?
Idk but if they don’t like being somewhere, then willfully going to that place is stupid to me.
I left lemmy a few weeks ago for this reason and I come back today to see what’s up and it’s exactly as you described. We aren’t the only ones either
Good to see your input and how many people agree with it. I kinda agree, I am one of those jerks that will pray for open source alternatives, lmao, not so for paid or social media. Still being part of majority, I agree with you. I kinda miss the christian memes from reddit, it used to take the bible and interpret in some way, not as it was written.
As somebody said, lemmy have instances. I don’t think we are in the need to make more, but idk about that and it’s just an opinion. I think the next step is creating communities that a lot of people miss from reddit but feel they wouldn’t be welcomed due to existing communities and the current mindset in Lemmy instances.
Thanks for the comment and saying what a lot of us have been wanting to say.
The problem is not a technology one, and creating a copy of the thing you hate isn’t going to get different results.
I never expected it to be better than reddit, actually I expected it to make things much worse through increased isolation of mobs. It does.
Only thing an individual can do is be the change they want to see and be nice to people, and resist the urge to “other” everyone they interact with.
That said… if this is OPs lived experience we should be happy for them. They’re having a positive experience that we all want.
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When I left Lemmy.World I stopped seeing toxic behavior on the regular. I am not sure why this is. I am following all the same communities I was before, so it’s not like I left any toxic communities. Even the hexbear people seem mostly civil now. It’s like all the crazy people left.
Maybe you just need to find an instance that suits you?
Fuck you! Welcome to Lemmy, we’re fun here
Fuck (Spez)
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Here’s an emoji for ya 🖕
I’m not 100% off Reddit, I still venture over there for my WarHammer faction updates. But holy shit, I dipped my toe outside that circle recently and it’s a cesspool of anger.
So it’s the new Twitter?
Oh so you think you’ve escaped huh
Tbf, I did have a Lemmy user passionately argue Joe Rogan has never had a white supremacist on his show – I pointed at Alex Jones and my notif bubble was red for a few days there 😅
Eat farts.
Who do you think I am, Chuck Berry?
No, you’re Assman. Own it.
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Aww thanks dude, appreciate it !
Nothing’s an insult, if you take it as a compliment!
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I hope you stub your toe
I hope you get a paper cut.
I hope you have to sneeze every time you point.
this is so true. I haven’t yet had anyone be super toxic like reddit. I’ve has a kind of mean, but never toxic. it’s a refreshing change that’s for sure.
So far, I’ve encountered far more negativity on Lemmy than I did on reddit. Ymmv, but I feel like our smaller user base has concentrated the negativity.
Having bounced back to reddit a couple of times, I haven’t had that experience. Talking here seems to lead to more thoughtful responses. Also some small minority on reddit love the unexplained downvotes of disapproval for perfectly well intentioned, polite posts, and there’s less of that on Lemmy.
As an example, I started c/52weeksofbaking (copied over from reddit). Its a place for amateur bakers to challenge themselves, try new things, and share their successes and failures. There’s zero reason to downvote posts there. I stickied a request for people to not downvote in that community. It’s currently sitting at 20 upvotes and 18 downvotes.
We can make fun of people for caring about fake internet points, but if we want to get more people to use lemmy and create content, we need to create communities that feel welcoming.
Kind of like people insulting OP in this thread, if you specifically ask people to not downvote something, they will downvote it. I don’t think it’s a serious sign of ill will.
I like how kbin works in this regard - while downvotes are available, kbin doesn’t federate downvotes from other instances. So sometimes I’ll have a post that looks like it has a mild positive score and someone will say “not sure why you’re getting downvote” and I’m “huh?” Blissfully unaware. I think that while up/down voting can play an important role in moderation, voting and karma it didn’t quite work out the way reddit intended originally. Downs are so often used as a way to lash out at someone, and very highly rated posts are often just some silly joke vs. something truly constructive. It’s annoying and makes me roll me eyes to have one of those conversations where the other person downvotes each reply as soon as you post it.
I always find it funny. When I respond to someone and point out the flaws in their argument and they don’t respond but I get their one immediate downvote, I consider it a victory. They can’t respond with any kind of logical argument but also they’re upset about their inability to defend their point. It’s like two victories in one.
How fucking dare you. I’m going to remove the labels off your canned goods so you don’t know what you’re opening till you open it.
Go for it.
It’s all beans anyway
What type of beans are we talking? Baked beans, black beans, pinto beans?
Yes.
It took way to long, upvoting every comments to finally get to some beans
No way bro! Can’t get me, I have a canned goods identification dog!
Evil
There’s a delicious degree of irony that you’ve been downvoted for giving an opinion
Ah, now it’s really feeling like Reddit.
But he went against the Lemmy circle jerk groupthink!
Sacrifices must be made to the fediverse or we’ll all be cursed for our disobedience.
The energy has been thrown off here because of his transgressions.
Quickly - someone say something about Arch Linux or about how capitalism sucks!!
Some of us just use Ubuntu and want to give high fives to kind folks. Therapy helps ❤️🙌
Ugh, Ubuntu? I need to take a shower after reading your comment.
If you aren’t installing your own window manager from an overly drawn out install process, does it even still count as Linux?
You might as well just be running Windows 11 at that point.
I’m guessing you forgot a /s? 😁
I know it’s fun to poke the troglodytes, but they do bite and you might catch the stupid. Wear gloves.
Psshh - everyone knows gloves are a leburoal hoax.
Yeah fuck him
Lol
It was real flowery here for a couple weeks during the celebratory fuck Spez exodus when everyones third party reddit browsers died. But yeah, now it’s a cesspool of negativity.
Be generous with blocks, both people and communities. It makes a lot of difference.
Agree, I use connect and it’s great for blocking whole instances too.
It may depend on your politics or maybe just where you hang out. I know that Beehaw gets a lot of shit for their pre-emptive defederation but it may be the nicest general online community I’ve encountered in a long time.
Don’t worry, the political threads are just as vicious as ever.
Worse, the people here are marginally smarter, so they know just enough to be wrong, verbosely.
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Someone report them for potential self harm
Naaa you get your share here. 4 chan trolls are ubiquitous
dumb meme i hate you
