• @Z3k3@lemmy.world
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    1261 year ago

    You know what’s mad. My brother in law on benefits blames other people on different benefits

    • @LazyBane@lemmy.world
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      21 year ago

      This is just the Matrix working as intended.

      Probably a lot of internal shame being projected, and when he gets on his feet he’s probably going to feel guilty for a long time.

      I was on the dole for a while and they do everything to make you feel like a criminal just for needing help. After I started paying taxes again I realised the the unproductive toxicity of my thinking.

      • @Z3k3@lemmy.world
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        31 year ago

        Normally I’d agree with you but he’s been on the bru all his days. Not lazy per say but the second he sees the deduction column of the wage slip he finds excuses to quit.

        When he was diagnosed with osteoarthritis he acted like he hit the jackpot.

        • @LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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          11 year ago

          Oh yeah, I’ve hit the jackpot, too. Full disability benefits that barely pay for my rent and utilities, but I have to choose between food and meds. All it costs me is constant diarrhoea, vomiting, seizures, fainting, and debilitating pain so I can’t leave the house.

          Totally worth giving up the nearly six-figure career I absolutely adored doing. -.-

          (Sorry, not aimed at you but at your family member and others with that attitude. It’s the opposite of what many of us want, but we have no other choice.)

    • BigFig
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      Disabled veteran relative who gets mad about other disabled people parking in handicap parking…

  • Tau
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    301 year ago

    “Benefits” is a grotesque use of the word. Whoever came up with the idea of calling social security “Benefits” is an evil genius.

    • 2deck
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      41 year ago

      Implies benefits for doing or being able to do no work. Insensitive and inflamatory.

      ‘Welfare’ and ‘income assistance’ are terms more commonly used in Australia.

    • @LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
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      there’s nothing inherently wrong with the word “benefits” anyway. It’s a positive word. people have come to villianize the word, associating it with those who mooch off the government. But no. benefits are not a bad thing, and people who receive them are not bad people. I agree with the John krasinski meme up there. Rich people are the enemy. poor people are the victims and deserve all the “benefits” they can possibly get.

      edit: changed the word “demonize” to “villainize” which was on the tip of my tongue but it took me two days for the right word to come to me. I’m quite pleased with my brain for finally getting it. That’s why I’m including this loquacious edit.

  • @queezywheezy@sh.itjust.works
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    This is a hilarious take considering the Bedlam unfolding in Dublin tonight.

    Scumbags living their entire lives on some of the most generous benefits in Europe decide to burn the city because… ? Racism?

    Nothing to do with Billionaires.

    Just generational scumbags trying to 1up their parents.

    Get a grip.

    • @Gabu@lemmy.world
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      11 year ago

      Rightwingers aren’t people. They’re lucky beating them in public still counts as a crime.

      • @Guntrigger@feddit.ch
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        31 year ago

        I don’t know if there was a rumour that the suspect was a non-white person, or just that the stabbing of multiple people resembles that of an Islamic terrorist attack, but all the rioters appear to be pushing anti-immigration rhetoric (which usually directly translates as anti-POC/Islamic immigration rhetoric).

  • fuck yeah. This is the dumbest shit. Allowing entrenched media structures, virtually always owned by corporate interests, to shape who the boogeyman is. Tip: it’s never the corporate interests who control the entrenched media structures.

  • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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    11 year ago

    Sadly, not entirely true. When too many people have to depend on welfare money because rich people demand too much rent and pay too low wages, then everyone will get less.

    But it’s still rich people’s fault so it’s the same picture.

    • @Sanyanov@lemmy.world
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      51 year ago

      This.

      Technically, welfare is an expense, but, it:

      a)is caused by the economic situation caused by the rich; b)makes people more economically secure, thereby improving, for everyone, the salary negotiating power and ability to build new enterprises, which return money to the economy; c)may save you personally if things turn south. And they always can.

      All that right-wing bullshit about economic freedom and not having to pay for losers has been disproven two centuries ago, yet people prefer to listen to talking heads that will never mention this nuance.

  • @Case@lemmynsfw.com
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    11 year ago

    I mean, certain people in my life who were on benefits have negatively impacted me…

    Though, the benefits had nothing to do with it. They were just shitty coworkers, and for the majority of them, just shitty people in general.

  • r3df0x ✡️✝☪️A
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    -21 year ago

    I support welfare for people who are willing to help themselves.

    I’d be fine with giving free housing to people who work at least 32 hours per week, hit the gym and take care of themselves.

  • @Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    If you think they dont negatively affect you then you probably havent lived around them. You have neighbors getting drunk every night staying up late because they have no job and then when you go to work they rob your house. They’re overly aggressive and they treat the house/area like shit by smashing bottles and littering. Obviously not everyone on the benefit does this since I’m on the benefit and I don’t do this.

    If there were no billionaires it wouldn’t change my life. Corporations would still dominate the world as hard as they do.

    • @echo64@lemmy.world
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      221 year ago

      Aside from the fact that your life would be dramatically different without billionaires, you’ll find that employed people do that shit too.

    • @LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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      101 year ago

      I truly hope no one in your household ever becomes severely disabled and unable to work. Without those benefits, many more disabled people would be homeless and starving (too many already are). It’s already prohibitively expensive to be sick in the US, and people who have worked hard routinely lose their health benefits when they can no longer work, forcing them to ration healthcare and make hard choices between medicine and housing/food.

      Even if you personally are able to work and keep your insurance, having a disabled child can utterly destroy your financial security and future.

      You’re judging all benefits recipients based on the behaviour of a small minority, when without those benefits, many disabled and elderly people would starve and die.

      • @Fizz@lemmy.nz
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        -81 year ago

        Where did I say the benefit should be removed? Where did I say this applies to all people on the benefit? All I disagreed with was that people on the benefit negatively affect my life because they do. I almost never see this behavior from people who work.

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          The tenor of your whole comment gives that impression, to be honest.

          And the tenor of my whole comment is defensive because I feel like the meagre chicken scratch subsistence that allows me to barely make rent, sometimes buy food or medicine, and make sure my heat and electricity stay on for winter puts me on the defensive when people make comments such as yours. Especially since I recently learned that I can no longer afford teeth, even though a side effect of my primary diagnosis makes my teeth rot, crack, and break painfully no matter how well I take care of them. Every single tooth is very painful and I can’t afford to fix them.

          So perhaps we’re both a bit on edge about this topic.

          I’m on ‘the benefit’ because Im too disabled to work at all, so I’m in the group you’re talking about. I don’t know what you see, but it’s something very, very different from what I see.

    • @pikmeir@lemmy.world
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      181 year ago

      Yes, but don’t blame the benefits for terrible people being terrible. Good people and terrible people can both use benefits the same way they can both drive on the freeway.

    • @alvvayson@lemmy.world
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      321 year ago

      If there weren’t any billionaires, your net worth would be about $100K higher than it currently is ($400K for a family of four). And that would provide you about $4K in yearly passive income ($16K for family of four).

      You would own a part of those corporations worth that $100K and would have a say in how they operate.

        • @bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml
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          21 year ago

          His math is off, at least for the US. You are in New Zealand so it’s probably less bad for you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States#:~:text=As of late 2022%2C according,a total of %2443.45 trillion.

          Distribute that 4.5 trillion between 330 million people and you only get 10000. You would need to take 45 trillion from the top 1% to give everyone else 100000

          It’s still absurd how much money they have.

          • @Fizz@lemmy.nz
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            -11 year ago

            I’m interested in how and why they think it will be distributed cause it seems to me that it wouldn’t flow to the bottom

            • @bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml
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              Oh wow yeah let’s get right on crafting a transition plan into billionaires theoretically not existing wow what a great idea. I had thought he was just demonstrating how much wealth they have captured with a thought experiment but oh boy, you specimen of progress, you actually want to do it! How brave.

              Cunt.

                • @bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml
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                  21 year ago

                  Corps like Marlboro advertised their products were healthy for years, don’t suggest that corps don’t cause problems or won’t cause problems. Billionaires direct the actions of corps and use them as shields for liability.

          • cannache
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            -41 year ago

            Nah man, you can believe in private property and still agree to share certain things based on consent.

            • @LemmysMum@lemmy.world
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              41 year ago

              Exactly, and we can revoke consent to have the limited shared resources of this planet and our labour exploited by billionaires.

              • cannache
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                Yeah I’m not a billionaire but I don’t see why Tesla etal deserves the hate often seen here. You’re just showing your true nature, that you withhold love and resources

                • @LemmysMum@lemmy.world
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                  I don’t see why Tesla etal deserves the hate often seen here

                  That’s called ignorance. Figure it out.

    • @homicidalrobot@lemm.ee
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      -61 year ago

      Redditors on reddit be like: “redditors are SO terrible!!!” What mechanism do you think the billionaires used to take the value of all the actual labor you absolute genius

      • kase
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        91 year ago

        Ok, sorry for being an idiot. I’m pretty sure you’re not saying billionaires use reddit to exploit people’s labor, but I can’t figure out what you are saying.

        • @homicidalrobot@lemm.ee
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          21 year ago

          Corporations are the tool. Reddit, google, whatever your pick, corporations are the tool by which legality is bent so one man can reap the majority of the rewards brought about by the efforts of thousands. I was making fun of your post because you mentioned them without implicating them and kept billionaires and corporations separated semantically.

          • kase
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            11 year ago

            Thanks, that makes sense. I didn’t write the original comment, but I think you’re absolutely right.

    • @takeda@lemmy.world
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      181 year ago

      I think you are mixing different groups of people and pinning that on receiving benefits. As if receiving benefits is what caused them to be alcoholics or receiving benefits makes them steal from others.

      There are good and there are shitty people, on the other hand social benefits are a safety net when you experience a bad life situation you can survive it without doing on the street. Disability, unemployment. Do you think you can receive unemployment forever? It’s value is based on how much you were making in previous job (I think it is 2/3 of income (in more generous states) and has a hard limit on the maximum which is relatively low) and it has a time limit (I think 6 months or less).

      Somebody who breaks to other people’s homes don’t need unemployment and to them that amount of money is laughable.

      • @Fizz@lemmy.nz
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        -121 year ago

        I’m not saying the benefit causes this. I’m saying that people on the benefit negatively affect my life slightly and I don’t think someone who interacts with people on the benefit would make such a statements.

  • theodewere
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    531 year ago

    nothing makes a rich man feel better about himself than watching peasants fight over scraps